本篇采访时间要追溯到René “TeSeS” Madsen 刚加入哥本哈根火焰，磨合几个月后的2019年圣诞假期前。翻译来自晓夜今天吃什么宵夜，校对与排版来自樱井良。且看彼时仅19岁的TeSeS在哥本哈根火焰展现的凌云壮志以及一些未竟的理想，
How did you get introduced to gaming?
It started back when I was 8 years old. My family and I lived on a farm in a small town nearby Skjern in Jutland. My big brother played a lot on our family’s computer. Someday, I thought I’d better try it out as well. Since then, we have always argued about who should have access to the computer. We only had one computer available at home. Our parents started making a time schedule to make sure we both had an equal chance to play. Furthermore, my brother and I always fought about being the best and who got to play the most. We continued this competition for many years.
When did you start playing Counter-Strike?
I started playing [Counter-Strike, red.] Condition Zero, and I’ve played a wide variety of games. I’ve got maybe 60 different titles on my Steam, where I have 10 played hours or so. But I always return to CS. No matter what other game I try out, I always end up returning to CS.
I’ve always had a desire to become better. I have that competitive gene that always pushes me to keep going. I never quit or give up. It’s such a typical cliche, I know, but I definitely view it as a great strength in my mentality which is very resilient. I never settle or stop.
Well, that’s how I got introduced to CS.
我最开始玩到的是反恐精英：零点行动（Counter-Strike, red. Condition Zero）。到现在我已经玩了相当多的游戏。我Steam库里大概有六十多个时长在10小时上下的游戏，但无论尝试其他什么游戏，我最终还是会回到CS的怀抱。我一直有不断变强的渴望，那种竞争的基因不断催促着我继续向前。我从来没有放弃过，也不会放弃。我知道这种话已经老掉牙了，但我清楚地把它看作是我心态上的一个巨大优势，而我的心态是非常有韧性的。我绝不会满足或停下脚步。
Have you always felt that you had a certain talent when it comes to CS? That it was something you could master and perhaps achieve something with?
I guess so. When you approach a new title, there’s so much you have to learn from scratch. Eventually, I just chose to go all-in on CS. There’s so much more to CS than what I first imagined. I just think it’s awesome. You can always think of new tactics or elements in CS. I find it very compelling because I can always learn something new and get better.
Have you ever competed in any traditional sports where you also found yourself using your ability to compete and your mental strength?
Definitely, yes. I played football for 8 years. We were competing on a high level, but then I began to feel my knees hurt and such. Then I had to choose another option which was to play CS. I thought it would be awesome to go all-in and it was also what I wanted to do.
So what you’re telling to anyone, myself included, who’s in their teenage years or mid twenties and who suffers from injuries from all the time spent on sports; we should just pursue a career in esport instead?
Haha, yeah. Well I did both once. And it was really hard to fit both football and CS into my schedule. My CS practice was usually at afternoon which was at the same time as my football practice. Back then, I was playing CS part time.
In the end you chose to put football behind and let everything evolve around CS?
Yes. But that was after I finished boarding school.
When did you discover that you had the potential to become a professional CS player?
After I finished boarding school, I was picked up by Thomas “haste” Dyrensborg whom I played with for 2 years. During that long period, we have won tournaments, but we have also done mediocre or even badly. Well it was a rollercoaster ride and we lost many matches. Besides that, we were always scouting for new players.
At a certain point, I was discovered by OpTic Gaming who took me in and that was when I truly discovered my own potential. But I have somehow always felt a certain self-confidence in CS. I have always felt at home in the game. In CS, I could isolate myself. I believe it has helped me a great deal through my life. I’ve always had one certain thing I was good at.
在我从寄宿学校毕业后，我被Thomas “haste” Dyrensborg 选中，一起并肩作战了两年。在那段很长的时间中，队伍的状态像是过山车，我们赢过几个赛事，但我们也有发挥平平甚至更坏的时候。除此之外，我们一直在寻找新的队员。
在某个节点上，我被OpTic Gaming发现并带进了队伍，也是在那里我真正发现自己的天赋。但一直以来我都对自己在CS上非常自信。在CS中就像回到了家。投入CS时，我能将自己从现实世界剥离开。我相信这很大程度上帮助我度过生活。CS 就是那件我一直擅长的事情。
You have already been to big tournaments and competed against great teams. AcilioN has done the same throughout his somewhat longer career. What has it meant for you that you already have this experience with you from a young age when you joined Copenhagen Flames?
I played with Mathias “MSL” Lauridsen in OpTic Gaming and he brought me up to a certain level. Here, I really got hit by the epiphanies of how clever you become with the experiences you gain over time. I did feel that I learned a lot in OpTic Gaming, but I never really realized how much until I joined Copenhagen Flames. Now I know exactly what strengths and knowledge I bring to a team.
我曾在OpTic Gaming与Mathias“MSL”Lauridsen并肩作战，他将我提升到了一定的水平。在这里，我真的感受到随着时间的推移和经验的累积，自己是如何成为一名更聪明的选手。我确实感觉到自己在OpTic Gaming中学到了很多，但直到我加入哥本哈根火焰，我才真正意识到我到底学到了多少。现在我清楚地知道自己能为团队带来什么优势和知识了。
I’m very much surprised with how much I’ve learned the last couple of years without really realizing it until now. When I go to bed at night, I can’t stop thinking about CS and of what I have learned. So my time in OpTic Gaming has been very rewarding on a personal level. Also, in terms of participating in big tournaments and experience how everything works and how players behave towards each other. Especially the professional framework you go under when you play for a team like OpTic Gaming, has given me a certain understanding of professional esport.
我非常吃惊地发现自己在这些年中到底学到了多少，这些收获我直到现在才意识到。从我个人能力层面来说， OpTic Gaming的这段经历让我受益匪浅。那时的我就算晚上躺在床上也忍不住继续琢磨CS和我学到的东西。除此之外，还有参与大赛，了解赛事如何运行，选手之间如何互动。特别是在像OpTic Gaming这样的队伍中，经历专业电子竞技的框架，使我增加了一些对于自身行业的理解。
What are your personal strengths?
My strengths are definitely that I reflect a lot about everything and that I always find a solution to my problems. If I struggle with finding a solution, I always ask for help.
My mentality is to always keep fighting even when you’re in the middle of a setback or adversity. And if you hit a wall, you just keep fighting through this wall. When I first joined Flames, everything went very well. Everybody said we were going through our honeymoon phase. But things did go south for a while, but I never stopped pushing through the wall that we hit. Many players fear they have to look for a new team when they hit a wall, but I just don’t want to give up on my team or team mates. We have to go through the struggles together instead of giving up. That as well is one of my assets.
I’m known a bit as a “fragger”. I just feel that I’ve learned a lot from different players especially haste and MSL. And I use this knowledge a lot. My lacking experience beforehand was definitely my weakness, but now I feel it has become one of my strengths.
毫无疑问我的优势在于我时常反思一切，并且我总是能找到自己问题的解决方案。如果我遇到困难，我总会寻求帮助。我的心态是就算处于挫折或逆境中也要继续奋斗。如果遇到瓶颈了，只需要继续努力冲破。当我一开始加入哥本哈根火焰这支队伍时，所有事情都运作得很棒。每个人都说我们正在经历蜜月期。的确一切都非常顺利，但我从未停下突破我们面对的那堵墙。很多选手在他们撞上墙 的队伍遇到瓶颈时 时害怕他们不得不去寻找新的队伍，但我不想放弃我的队伍或者队友们。我们必须一起经历困难而非放弃。这也是我的财产之一。
I’m sure many want to know your secret of how you handle clutches so well. What is your secret when you are in a 1v4 clutch against a team with a full buy and you only have a Deagle in your possession and you still manage to win the round? What happens when you find yourself in such a situation and have to keep your composure and stay calm?
I can imagine that many players would feel they have their backs against the wall and can’t see any way out. But I always see the options I have in store. You just have to choose the right option.
What matters in clutches is that you have to isolate as many duels as possible. I’ve learned this from my time in OpTic Gaming and with haste. If you’re up against 4, you shouldn’t move away from your hiding spot or just start shooting against 4. You must always isolate your targets and your duels. It all comes down to timings on what your opponents do. You have to play a lot in order to gain enough experience and learn how to handle these situations.
In that specific situation, you just mentioned where I clutched with my Deagle versus 4; we were first of all not against the best team. And they didn’t interpret the situation very well. They just handed me 1 on 1 duels. They had the upper hand and they just gave me the best possibility to secure that round. I just had to hit my shots. And that was it.
Back when I interviewed AcilioN, you had just begun as stand-in. I asked AcilioN about what you could contribute with to the team. He told your are very strategic. He also mentioned he viewed you as his strategic assistant. He was very surprised and pleased with your way of approaching CS and the set of skills you brought to the team from day 1.
回到我采访 AcilioN 的时候，你刚刚开始担任替补的身份。 我问到 AcilioN关于 你能为团队贡献什么。 他告诉你很有战略眼光。他还提到他将你视为他的战略助手。 他对你接触CS的方式以及从第一天起就为团队带来的一系列技能感到非常惊讶和高兴。
Yes, as I earlier mentioned about my experiences which was once my weakness but now my strength: I am very structured in CS. I want mutual agreements and know that we agree on the defaults we should go by, when we take map control. It is also very important for me to know exactly which grenades we still have available when we for instance push A. If we know which grenades we have left, we can build our tactics.
Another example is: farlig and I are holding A together on Overpass, and if we keep dying every time our opponents go Long A. It is very important for me to have an agreement with my partner of how to defense ourselves against their tactics of attacking the bomb sites. I think many of the lower ranked top tier teams in Denmark are well aware of their problems. They simply can’t find the right solution to fix them. They don’t make mutual agreements. I believe CS is about structure and that is what I try to master.
We have several tactics on every map and we discuss a lot about which specific tactics we could use against every single opponent. We might also watch a demo, and figure out that our opponent has an awesome tactic but it doesn’t fit into our playbook.
Have you got any personal goals you want to achieve before you someday retire from your professional CS career?
I imagine many players have dreamed of joining Astralis. And that might as well be one of the greatest achievement to accomplish.
But in my case, I’d rather build my own super team from scratch and climb the HLTV ranking together. Then in the end, we’d hopefully manage to beat Astralis rather than just joining the team.
So it also comes down to loyalty to you?
I find loyalty very crucial. You need to have each others’ back inside as well as outside of the game. You stick together in order to climb [the HLTV ranking, red.]. That’s exactly what Astralis have done. They have been a team for a couple of years now, and they have managed to hold the spot as #1 for 1,5 years? They did it because they stuck with each other. Let’s say they had split or kicked a player, when everything went wrong this year. That would have been completely crazy. But that’s what many of the lower top tier teams in Denmark do. When things go bad, you leave your team.
To a certain point, I understand such a decision, but my opinion and mentality is that it’s always better to stick together as a team. When you have played together over a certain amount of time, you just know your team mates and how each other react. I believe it’s a giant advantage on a long-term basis. That’s why I always prefer staying together as a team in order to fight for a top spot among the best teams in the world. And you can always develop a player with talent to become extraordinary. That is just my view on CS: Don’t join Astralis – create your own super team and beat them!
When it comes to players being kicked or leaving a team, it’s quite emotional for fans of a player or a team to see them go separate ways which happens pretty often in esport.
Yeah, definitely! It does also happen in football. I think it’s just part of the world of sports – people go from one club or team to another.
But in football for instance, players contracts last for about 2-5 years whereas in esport it’s more normal to have a contract for maybe 6-12 months and that is if you’re even lucky enough. If you do well, you may extend your contract. Or if you become the front figure of a team, you may even continue for a longer period and then the changes happen on the rest of the line-up. You rebuild the roster over and over again and only keep a small core of one or two players. It might be emotionally tough for fans, but especially tough for you players?
Yes, it takes a toll on us. When I played with haste for two years, we had to go through many changes in our line-up because players left our team. For instance, sjuush, who’s now part of Tricked Esport, left and Nodios left for Fragsters. We’ve been through a lot and fought through very hard times, where we always had to find a new addition to our team and rebuild from scratch. It takes a toll on us players, and that is where my mentality kicks in: don’t give up. You always have something to work on.
I also admire that haste, who is in his late twenties or so, has done this for so many years now. He just keeps carrying on. I respect him a lot for that.
You must all be very mentally strong. You’re all so vulnerable. AcilioN has been kicked several times and he had to pick himself up over and over in order to reignite the flame within again. I truly respect you all for handling these issues in your lives. How you manage to hold yourselves together is admiring because some other people would perhaps have been broken by experiencing these repeating failures.
译者注：作为TeSeS的现任队友与Heroic的残局大师，sjuush在2018年2月至2018年12月期间与TeSeS共同效力于GoldenGitte，作为步枪手大放异彩，贡献出不少残局，两人共同帮助队伍拿下了一些小型线下赛与线上赛冠军（例如NetParty Fyn 2018，力压Tricked夺冠）。但正如采访中所言，随着成绩起落，变阵像是一种难以逃脱的循环。2019年二月，Tricked Esport宣布二十岁的sjuush将代替PERCY出战，而后者很快被人员不足的GoldenGitte吸纳。换新的尝试并非一帆风顺，屡经人员变动后，重振旗鼓的GoldenGitte在三月参加了ESEA Advanced Season 30欧洲赛，此时18岁的TeSeS不再是队伍中最小的成员，与此同时一位更年轻的选手也开始渐渐出现在丹麦观众的视野，Jakob’jabbi’Nygaard。同队两个月后，TeSeS转而为OpTic填补上Marco 'Snappi' Pfeiffer离去的空缺，与Ismail 'refrezh' Ali并肩作战。两人在几个月后再次在Copenhagen Flames相遇，此时指挥正是Rasmus 'HooXi' Nielsen。当然我们都知道后来的故事，TeSeS于2020年4月加入Heroic，带着他的从无数次失败与波折中锻炼出的坚韧与对团队配合的理解，成为这支队伍的核心成员。
Now to something completely different: What’s your favourite weapon and map?
AK47 or M4 Silencer. But the M4 Silencer is just so bad at the moment.
My favourite map is Overpass, I found out during my time on OpTic Gaming. I had all the awesome roles on Overpass – and I always did well. I really feel I’ve had my best performances on this map.
Do you prefer T or CT?
It’s CT with Flames. It’s all about communication and great setups. I always have a partner I play with on CT. I like to play with a partner on the different sites. You tend to develop a personal relationship with your partner and I love that.
Do you have an e-sport idol you look up to?
No, not really. If anyone thinks like me about building a team from scratch and then reach the top together, I would look up to them. Well, the core of Astralis have done that and I’m a big fan of that. I admire them for doing that.
They also stuck together when Dev1ce was sick and they had Dennis as stand-in.
Do you have a favourite game you play besides CS. Maybe TFT which was AcilioN’s favourite game when I interviewed him?
Haha, no. No. I don’t believe I have any other game I really play or love. I don’t play anything but CS at the moment. If I didn’t have CS, I wouldn’t know what to do. Either way it’s CS or back to high school.
And if you didn’t have the opportunity to go pro in CS, what would have happened in your life?
I would have been a salesman somewhere. I’m very lucky that I know how to play CS, haha.